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Baylor is Wierd, Frustrating, and Awesome

  • This guy hits the nail on the head in trying to figure out the Bears. Interesting takes and observations:

    The Baylor Bears have the most interesting dichotomy in college basketball.
    On one hand, Baylor has the most impressive quartet of power forwards in the entire country. Most programs are lucky to get one or two effective big men in a decade. Baylor has four players on their roster that are taller than six-foot-seven that contribute regularly. The problem is that those “big men” play more like Thaddeus Young than Tim Duncan. Ironically, Baylor’s shortest frontcourt player, Quincy Acy, is the only one that can consistently score on the block. Perry Jones III, Quincy Miller and Anthony Jones are all longer than a cross-country ski trail but your more likely to catch them shooting a jumpshot than making a strong move at the basket.
    The only thing keeping Perry Jones from being the best player in the country is the existence of Anthony Davis. Jones has all of the physical tools to become an absolutely dominant player, especially in the college ranks. And yet, in round one against South Dakota State Jones had just two points on one-of-six shooting and last night against Colorado the talented sophomore scored just seven points on eight shots. Jones having such poor games against the Jackrabbits and Buffaloes is absolutely indefensible and the only person to blame is Jones. For ever reason, much like his namesake from Kentucky, Terrence Jones, Perry just doesn’t seem to have a competitive fire. Someone with his tools should be averaging at least 25 points, 10 rebounds and five assists a game. Instead, most folks around the country know him more for his no-shows than his incredibly versatile skillset.
    Hit the jump for the rest of Mark’s piece…

    On the other hand, Baylor routinely plays two point guards no taller than I am (and I’m five-foot-nine and three quarters) and their starting off guard is solely a spot-up shooter on the offensive (though he is a darn good one). The only player on the roster that provides a middle ground(Pierre Jackson and A.J. Walton) between Baylor’s long power forwards and undersized point guards is Duece Bello, a crazy athletic freshman that has averaged 10 minutes per game this season. His role isn’t large, though, and he’s mostly used as a stopgap when Scott Drew tries to get his point guards rest.
    Pierre Jackson is the little engine that makes this team go. Jackson is the classic undersized guard with the heart of a lion that refuses to back down from challenges on either end of the floor. Jackson’s bulldog mentality has helped him put up the best numbers in the country as the pick and roll ball-handler this season. Of guards with at least 150 possessions in the P&R Jackson ranks first in points per possession created and he’s shooting 52% from the field. Jackson is such a fun player to watch if only because he brings a constant spark to a team that has a number of lethargic players.
    If Baylor’s bigs switched mindsets with their point guards in a Freaky Friday sort of way, the Bears might be the most unstoppable team in the country. The Bears are a better three-point shooting team than the Kentucky Wildcats and even though Kentucky has Davis on the backline defensively, the Bears 2-3 zone is a great fit with their long forwards and lightning quick guards. The Bears could give Kentucky a pretty good game if they end up facing off in the Elite Eight in a few days but if this Baylor team started off the season with a different balance of attitude, we’d be in for one heck of a #1 vs #1 in the National Title game.
    That’s the thing that is so frustrating about this Baylor. This is already a pretty good team, one that very much their number three seed. But they could be so much better if their best player, Perry Jones III, had the same heart and desire to dominate that fellow Baylor Bear and third generation superstar Robert Griffin has. Griffin took a pretty mediocre football team and made them much better than the sum of their parts. Jones, while not a total negative, has had a bit of the opposite effect on Baylor’s basketball team. If he were a bit more outgoing and perhaps more confident, Baylor would be a powerhouse.
    And yet, this is still a team with a pretty good shot at getting to the Final Four, even if Kentucky stands in their way. That’s what makes Baylor so awesome. Most teams would be sunk if their best player never established himself as the leader of the team emotionally and physically but the Bears are a well coached bunch that can win games against good teams without significant contributions from their most talented players (as we’ve seen in the first two rounds of the tournament).
    Last night’s round of 32 game against Colorado was very fun to watch because it was one of the first games of the tournament in which a team run solely by running their offense. The NCAA Tournament can often times turn into a riveting marathon of hero shots, mostly threes, that are rarely taken within the offense. Baylor beat Colorado yesterday because of an incredibly intensive set of plays designed for Brady Heslip. The sophomore guard that was discarded from Boston College during a regime change has completely changed the look of this Baylor team, giving them a Ray Allen presence, so to speak, that can absolutely destroy an opponent simply by running to open spots. Baylor’s big men did their best Kevin Garnett/Kendrick Perkins impersonations last night while Pierre Jackson played the role of Rajon Rondo and the result was a brilliant shooting night for Heslip. The Ontario native finished the night with nine triples on just 12 attempts and none of them were taken off the dribble.
    That kind of performance won’t happen again against a team like Kentucky that is longer and faster, but it’s a testament to Baylor’s depth of options. Despite the team’s lack of traditional positional flexibility (they really only have point guards and power forwards), this is a team with a cast players that has an extreme diverse of individual talents. Jackson’s ability to create his own shot off the dribble, Heslip’s dead-on spot-up shooting, Acy’s post-up skills and non-stop motor, PJIII’s all-around skillset, Walton’s push-the-pace mentality, Miller’s top notch scoring ability, and Anthony Jones’ swiss army knife mentality (he’ll get to the rim, hit the open three and play that wing on the zone like none other). All you can ask for in a basketball team is there, but the brilliant masterpiece this unique palette can paint is not always, if ever, put on display.
    The Bears may have as many as three games left in their season and I’m hoping they max that number out. It will be disappointing if Baylor ends up falling short of the national title game but it will be even worse if they do so because Jones fails to pick up his intensity. This is a weird team to analyze and a frustrating team to root for but most of all, this is a pretty awesome group. They may not take it all the way this year but that doesn’t mean I won’t appreciate the mysterious roller coaster this team has taken us on this season.

    http://dishingtherock.com/34267/baylor-is-wierd-frustrating-and-awesome/

    This post was edited by BuGrad95 on 3/19/2012 at 2:08 AM

    BuGrad95

  • Very interesting article. I think it probably sums up how many of us view the team. Could win it all or could lose the next game.

    Volunteer

  • Volunteer said...

    Very interesting article. I think it probably sums up how many of us view the team. Could win it all or could lose the next game.

    Yep. That's a very weird combo. "Could win it all or lose their next game." Sometimes people just say that, but that is really true with this squad.

    It's really incredible.

    The X Factor898

  • This guy doesn't know what he's talking about...he says the Bears are a well coached team (sarcasm)

    And, by my count, we could have four more games this season....not three.

    Bears Den91030

  • Yep, the oft quoted "one of the most talented teams in the country" is so far from telling the whole story, it's not even funny. We have a lot of athletic string beans, we have a lot of small guards...not much else in between.

    Not unlike Duke. What do they have, 4-5 future NBA guys on their roster...but to many bigs and small guards, not enough in between.

    ...all that being said, we're one of 16 teams left, and have a good chance to go further. Lovin it.

    This post was edited by boxster on 3/19/2012 at 9:57 AM

    boxster

  • The "X" Factor said...

    Yep. That's a very weird combo. "Could win it all or lose their next game." Sometimes people just say that, but that is really true with this squad.

    It's really incredible.

    There are 16 teams left and the only one that doesn't have a decent chance to win it all is Ohio in my opinion. No easy games left for any team. I would say this statement of could lose their next one or could win it all applies to all the teams left.

    twitter.com/Bearstruth247

    Ashley Hodge

  • boxster said...

    Yep, the oft quoted "one of the most talented teams in the country" is so far from telling the whole story, it's not even funny. We have a lot of athletic string beans, we have a lot of small guards...not much else in between.

    Not unlike Duke. What do they have, 4-5 future NBA guys on their roster...but to many bigs and small guards, not enough in between.

    ...all that being said, we're one of 16 teams left, and have a good chance to go further. Lovin it.

    I know. It's just shocking that anyone and everyone who is paid to follow basketball says that we have Final Four talent. The whole basketball world is just dumb.

    There is absolutely no proof that we are a team that has the talent to compete with the big boys. Though I was a little shocked that our victory over National Championship contender KU wasn't received with the same amount of shock as when the USA hockey team beat the Russians. Because a team with as little talent as our beating a team with a much talent as KU's is one of the greatest sports upsets of all time.

    As long as Baylor fans know the truth about our team, that's all that matters. We are just a collection of some decent parts, and only a few guys with unrealized potential that was lucky to finish top 4 in conference, was lucky to be ranked in the top 25 at all this year, much less the top 10 for most of the year, and certainly not a team able of competing with the big dogs.

    The X Factor898

  • Ashley Hodge said...

    There are 16 teams left and the only one that doesn't have a decent chance to win it all is Ohio in my opinion. No easy games left for any team. I would say this statement of could lose their next one or could win it all applies to all the teams left.

    Disagree. Heading into the tournament, I didn't think IU could win it all. Didn't think Xavier or NC State could. Didn't think UF could.

    If you're honest with yourself, you would say that KU, MU, UNC, UK...maybe Syracuse, certainly Michigan State, and Baylor. People know if we play like we are capable of and can put that together for multiple games in a row, we can win the whole thing.

    The X Factor898

  • The "X" Factor said...

    I know. It's just shocking that anyone and everyone who is paid to follow basketball says that we have Final Four talent. The whole basketball world is just dumb.

    There is absolutely no proof that we are a team that has the talent to compete with the big boys. Though I was a little shocked that our victory over National Championship contender KU wasn't received with the same amount of shock as when the USA hockey team beat the Russians. Because a team with as little talent as our beating a team with a much talent as KU's is one of the greatest sports upsets of all time.

    As long as Baylor fans know the truth about our team, that's all that matters. We are just a collection of some decent parts, and only a few guys with unrealized potential that was lucky to finish top 4 in conference, was lucky to be ranked in the top 25 at all this year, much less the top 10 for most of the year, and certainly not a team able of competing with the big dogs.

    About time you accepted the truth.

    BelgianBear

  • The "X" Factor said...

    I know. It's just shocking that anyone and everyone who is paid to follow basketball says that we have Final Four talent. The whole basketball world is just dumb.

    There is absolutely no proof that we are a team that has the talent to compete with the big boys. Though I was a little shocked that our victory over National Championship contender KU wasn't received with the same amount of shock as when the USA hockey team beat the Russians. Because a team with as little talent as our beating a team with a much talent as KU's is one of the greatest sports upsets of all time.

    As long as Baylor fans know the truth about our team, that's all that matters. We are just a collection of some decent parts, and only a few guys with unrealized potential that was lucky to finish top 4 in conference, was lucky to be ranked in the top 25 at all this year, much less the top 10 for most of the year, and certainly not a team able of competing with the big dogs.

    Read post again. Did I say that we aren't talented? Nope. Did I say that we have some ill-fitting parts, and are missing some pieces that most people, including those who are paid to follow basketball, would agree are pretty important? Yep. Are those two conclusions mutually exclusive of each other? No.

    Do you feel that we are more talented than Duke?

    boxster

  • boxster said...

    Read post again. Did I say that we aren't talented? Nope. Did I say that we have some ill-fitting parts, and are missing some pieces that most people, including those who are paid to follow basketball, would agree are pretty important? Yep. Are those two conclusions mutually exclusive of each other? No.

    Do you feel that we are more talented than Duke?

    I do feel that we are more talented than Duke this year.

    I wanted to play them on Friday because I thought we would beat them.

    The X Factor898

  • BelgianBear said...

    About time you accepted the truth.

    I know. It just took me a while. I hear they are already making an ESPN 30 for 30 about this year's team. There's never been a team that has over achieved as much as our 2012 Baylor Bears. This will be great pub.

    The X Factor898

  • Is X related to Wac_k?

    Old300Bear

  • The "X" Factor said...

    I know. It just took me a while. I hear they are already making an ESPN 30 for 30 about this year's team. There's never been a team that has over achieved as much as our 2012 Baylor Bears. This will be great pub.

    And so i ask, why do you and others give Texas Rick Barnes so many excuses for being so young, but yet:

    Brady H is in his first year playing for BU
    Duece Bellos-Frosh
    Perry Jones-Partial second year-(6 games suspension)
    Quincy Miller-Frosh
    Corey Jefferson-RS Soph
    Pierre Jackson-First year transfer

    We have, Acy -Sr-Great contributor
    Ant Jones-Sr-Partial contributor
    AJ Walton-Jr-Extremely inconsistent

    Not really a veteran team that has been together for very long in comparison to most teams key contributors, except maybe Kentucky.

    So, why do you and others judge Drew and the team so harshly?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RealBear on 3/19/2012 at 6:47 PM

    RealBear

  • When Drew first came he couldn't get big men. Rogers at 6'7" was the best we had early on. Now, we have an abundance of power forwards. It is either a Drew maturity thing or he was able to recruit great athletes/players without really getting exactly what he needed. We need a tall guard and we have one coming in. We need a physical beast underneath and we have one coming in. I think the balance is coming.

    BUMAD