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  • I'm not a proponent of a full on playoff, but I would love to see a +1 game introduced to give the Top 4 teams a shot at the title. Either way though, the SEC had good defenses, but they also have atrocious offensive play to go with it that would make our D look respectable. Watching that game was about as enjoyable as watching grass grow.

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  • Disagree completely. That was the two best teams in the country playing "grown up" football. I really enjoyed the tremendous defensive effort by Bama that they sustained throughout the game.

    Both would manhandle us and probably any team in the Big 12.

    highplains

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    I'm not a proponent of a full on playoff, but I would love to see a +1 game introduced to give the Top 4 teams a shot at the title. Either way though, the SEC had good defenses, but they also have atrocious offensive play to go with it that would make our D look respectable. Watching that game was about as enjoyable as watching grass grow.

    It may have been a great game, but I just was not interested enough to watch.

    LSU has to beat Alabama twice to win the Championship while Alabama must only beat LSU one out of two. Doesn't seem right.

    Volunteer

  • highplains said...

    Both would manhandle us and probably any team in the Big 12.

    Maybe. But we'll never know how they would have fared against Okie State,

    They would probably beat us by a healthy margin, but then again their pedestrian offenses might make our defense look better. I know our offense would put points on the board.

    Volunteer

  • highplains said...

    Disagree completely. That was the two best teams in the country playing "grown up" football. I really enjoyed the tremendous defensive effort by Bama that they sustained throughout the game.

    Both would manhandle us and probably any team in the Big 12.

    I'm sorry, but that #69 offense for LSU made Bama's job a lot easier tonight.

    The highest ranked offense Bama faced this year was Arkansas' "high powered" #27 offense in the nation. The next best offense was LSU's #69 offense.

    I would like to have seen them play one of the Top 10 offenses in the nation to actually see how they would have done and the +1 format would have made that happen.

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  • what did they see in Alabama's QB besides how well he apparently held snaps?

    I'll admit though, I fell asleep and missed quite a bit of the game... wasn't trying to though

    Slove09

  • Terrible game, I don't care what "defensive purists" claim. LSU was so pathetic on offense it was an insult to major college football.

    I wish I would've been one of the thousands of people who boycotted this game.

    BelgianBear

  • When your QB runs backward on an option and drives the pitchman deeper into the backfield and won't make the LB commit to you..

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  • Volunteer said...

    Maybe. But we'll never know how they would have fared against Okie State,

    They would probably beat us by a healthy margin, but then again their pedestrian offenses might make our defense look better. I know our offense would put points on the board.

    How is it that we will never know how they would have fared against Okie State but you do know our offense would have put points on the board?

    Pedestrian offenses have lit us up all season.

    highplains

  • People are delusional if they believe SEC defenses only look good because they believe the SEC doesn't have good offenses. Bama, despite playing LSU (second best D in nation) twice, finished 12th nationally in yards/play...that's Big 12 good. Total offense is not relevant as SEC schools don't play up tempo and thus run far fewer plays.

    That game was ugly, for sure. However, our defense would get DOMINATED by either of their offenses...they would grind us up...shred us. Our offense might score 21-24 points, but no more. Arkansas has a great offense, Big 12 good, and got manhandled by both of those defenses.

    SEC is a different brand of football and they are the best league in the nation.

    Clavine

  • Here are the things I do know...

    Our OL would not fare a well against either of those front 7s. But our zone read is better than LSUs. Gannaway would have gained more yards as he does not shy away from contact, and they would have to respect Griffin.

    Their OL would pound our front 7. They would not have to make the same play calls, so it would be a different game. I still don't think they put up 40, but I also don't think we put up 67.

    The way we were playing at the end of the season, I really believe we beat one maybe both of them 42-35ish.

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  • I think Boise st would have beat either one of those teams last night. Peterson is a great "big game" coach.

    Cogomax

  • highplains said...

    How is it that we will never know how they would have fared against Okie State but you do know our offense would have put points on the board?

    Pedestrian offenses have lit us up all season.

    What exactly is your point?

    We will never know how they would have fared against Okie State because they didn't have the opportunity to play. Since they actually never played that seems like an accurate statement.

    I didn't say we would beat either team, I did say that we would put up points on both. And, based on the fact that we had one of the best offenses in the country, that's a reasonable statement.

    And what does the fact that our defense is poor have to do with our ability to put up points on either LSU or Bama?

    Volunteer

  • Clavine said...

    People are delusional if they believe SEC defenses only look good because they believe the SEC doesn't have good offenses. Bama, despite playing LSU (second best D in nation) twice, finished 12th nationally in yards/play...that's Big 12 good. Total offense is not relevant as SEC schools don't play up tempo and thus run far fewer plays.

    That game was ugly, for sure. However, our defense would get DOMINATED by either of their offenses...they would grind us up...shred us. Our offense might score 21-24 points, but no more. Arkansas has a great offense, Big 12 good, and got manhandled by both of those defenses.

    SEC is a different brand of football and they are the best league in the nation.

    Opinions are like....

    Unfortunately, we'll never know until we have playoffs (insert Mora voiceover here).

    CentexBear

  • I don't think I'd predict us to beat either of those teams, but I do believe we could score on them the way we were playing at the end of the season. 40 points? No, I don't think we'd put 40 on either one. 25-30? Yeah, I think we're capable of that.

    I think our defense would get absolutely owned by Bama's offense. LSUs doesn't scare me, though. Bama has a power running game with enough weapons through the air that we'd be overmatched, imo.

    JudgeChamber

  • highplains said...

    Disagree completely. That was the two best teams in the country playing "grown up" football. I really enjoyed the tremendous defensive effort by Bama that they sustained throughout the game.

    Both would manhandle us and probably any team in the Big 12.

    so, in order to play "grown up" football, you have to field an absolutely pathetic offense?

    i will give both LSU's and Alabama's defenses all the credit in the world. they are great, and any team in the country would have trouble moving the ball and scoring against them, but for those two offenses to play 8 quarters, score 36 total points (between the two teams!), and one freakin' TD is the definition of inept...i don't care how great the defenses are!

    ryanmetz

  • I think those two teams show you how important good QB play is. Those guys were missing open receivers, making bad decisions and just played very avg football. Those defenses give you so much trouble because they get incredible pressure on the QB, but I think we'd have put up a better fight than LSU did last night. Their performance, or lack thereof, was an embarassment. I also for the life of me could not figure out how you don't give Jarret Lee a chance to see if he can spark you team. Jefferson was a deer in headlights last night.

    lancebu

  • If Alabama was going to pressure Briles in that manner he'd adjust his playcalling. Not run an option 7 yards deep and retreating.

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  • IMO, Brian's last post goes to the root of why LSU looked as bad as they did. LSU did nothing to adapt in the game. They kept running the same plays over and over again and they executed them poorly. It was almost like watching the definition of insanity played out literally.

    At one point I swear it looked like Jefferson wanted to make sure the RB was going to get smoked by two LB's before he pitched it to him. Jefferson never kept Bama honest because he never kept the ball. Not once did he make the DE of LB's commit to him which never opened up the pitch. You can't run the option if you string the play out every time and then pitch it to the RB while he runs out of bounds.

    I'm not saying we win, not at all. Sorry guys I just think we still have a little ways to go before that, but I do think we would have put a couple TD's on the board. The main reason being we would have made adjustments and have a few more wrinkles in our zone read.

    This post was edited by Big O Bear on 1/10/2012 at 11:31 AM

    Big O Bear

  • ryanmetz said...

    so, in order to play "grown up" football, you have to field an absolutely pathetic offense?

    i will give both LSU's and Alabama's defenses all the credit in the world. they are great, and any team in the country would have trouble moving the ball and scoring against them, but for those two offenses to play 8 quarters, score 36 total points (between the two teams!), and one freakin' TD is the definition of inept...i don't care how great the defenses are!

    No, to play grown up football you play solid, physical defense. That is still the first essential of great football teams.

    Who is in the national championship game? Great offenses or great defenses? Right.

    highplains

  • Volunteer said...

    What exactly is your point?

    We will never know how they would have fared against Okie State because they didn't have the opportunity to play. Since they actually never played that seems like an accurate statement.

    I didn't say we would beat either team, I did say that we would put up points on both. And, based on the fact that we had one of the best offenses in the country, that's a reasonable statement.

    And what does the fact that our defense is poor have to do with our ability to put up points on either LSU or Bama?

    There are two points. The first is about the statement that you know we would have put up points on either of them. You say, on the one hand, that we don't know how Okie State would have fared because they did not play LSU or Bama. By the same reasoning, you cannot say that you know we would have put up points, because we did not play them either.

    The second point was about your reference to both offenses as "pedestrian." My comment was simply that even pedestrian offenses have done well against us. The season bears that out.

    This post was edited by highplains on 1/10/2012 at 9:32 PM

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  • highplains said...

    No, to play grown up football you play solid, physical defense. That is still the first essential of great football teams.

    Who is in the national championship game? Great offenses or great defenses? Right.

    So, if OSU had picked up the 10 or so points in the poll they needed to go to #2 in the BCS, your offense/defense point is moot.

    I think most people are undervaluing both teams offense, but I still think our offense would have put SOME points on Bama and at least 21 on LSU.

    JudgeChamber

  • highplains said...

    No, to play grown up football you play solid, physical defense. That is still the first essential of great football teams.

    Who is in the national championship game? Great offenses or great defenses? Right.

    i'll agree that both teams absolutely play "grown up" defense. however, both teams are average, on their best day, on the offensive side of the ball.

    Auburn managed to play solid, physical defense last season, and the coupled it with a dynamic offense.

    to your point about offense vs defense in the BCS championship game, last season featured 2 very high-powered offenses, and there are countless examples of offense carrying teams to championships in college football. yes, this year's BCS championship game featured two teams with excellent defenses, and meh offenese, but teams like OU, USC, UT, Florida, Auburn, etc have ridden their offenses to titles over the past decade or so.

    ryanmetz