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Their is way too much seepage on all of those plays. Whatever the reason. Talent. OL showing run on play action. He is getting hit too much. He runs so fast that he creates more force than the average QB on impact. We even saw that at Baylor when the back of his head hit the turf.
We will just have to see but it seems like his accuracy is not what it was at the beginning of the season. It hurts your rhythm and foot work when you are going right, left, center and back.
Then he becomes a competitor when they are down and tries to do too much. That happened on both major injuries this season. The quicker they go to a more conventional or even spread type system similar to Green Bay, NE or NO the better. Then he gets all of his yardage on scrambles like he did at Baylor.
He needs to gain a good 5-10 lbs also. That should come with maturity.
This offense is closer to KSU than Baylor.
I agree, and that covers what I said about Kyle calling some plays that make you scratch your head. I understand he's a lethal runner, but it doesn't mean he has to run the ball as if he's a RB, or better yet, having him run a backdoor wheel route where he got hit pretty hard as a WR at the beginning of the year.
However, the O has come a long way, and that evident last week against the SB champ Giants. They were on their heels the entire game and didn't know what was coming. Much better to have a D try and react to what you're doing instead of being able to just go out and play. Hell, he did the same thing to Bal on the first two drives where they didn't know what was going on.
I said earlier, our OL is a great run zone blocking scheme, but outside of Williams as the LT, our OL is weak as a pass blocking group. They have signs at times of being very good, but overall are inconsistent and allow the rush to get through way too often.
To your second point, RGIII has gotten lazy on a couple of throws where he relies on his arm strength, expecting to hit WR in the numbers in tight windows. That has nothing to do with the OL or WR. Yes, the WR/TE group have dropped so many passes this year I just want to jump through the screen and show them how to do it, but unfortunately, me being out there would get the Redskins nowhere. But today was a perfect example where the OL gave RGIII plenty of time to throw and he got lazy with his feet. Maybe some of you can tell me if this was something he did at Baylor?
Your statement about being a competitor is very true. Even after he was hurt, he still came back in, but said in his PC that he got to a point where he knew enough was enough. The first injury was him being young and trying to make a play happen really putting himself in jeopardy. This last incident, IMO, was complete fluke, although he was being competitive trying to make a play for his team on 2nd and 18.
I'm fine with the way the O is. I would just rather see him go down quicker or run out of bounds more. There is nothing like it in the NFL and seeing it completely fool prof players every week makes me proud to have someone like him as my franchise QB. Granted the team needs to figure out how to use his skills so he'll be around long term and able to make it through a complete season healthy.
I agree with this....the design of the O is awesome watching when it really clicks. I have never seen so many WR/TE wide open because the threat of the pistol/option looks keeping the safeties/LBs looking in the backfield. I think a lot of credit has to be given to Morris and the way we've ran the ball.
I just hope the MRI comes back with positive news since he's brought hope for an entire fan base...HTTR!!!
I have never seen so many WIDE OPEN TEs drop balls. I mean like WIDE OPEN hit in the hands and dropped.
Niles Paul has the hands of a Nebraska WR
He *might* have the hands of a Nebraska OG.
Completely agree...Paul has been horrible from week 1. Worst part is he made a transition from WR to TE, so you'd think catching the ball would be one of his strengths.
We are just used to Kendall Wright, Josh Gordon, Terrance Williams.
That is probably spolied but even the other guys (Sampson, Reese, Najvar) would completely sell out and make great catches for Griffin.
I would love for the Redskins to go out and bring him some more weapons on that side of the ball, but unfortunately I think we have to sure up the secondary and OL. One good thing about having a player like RGIII who has taken the league by storm is players will want to play with him. Who knows what happens with the draft and free agency....
I played QB and coached QBs and it is obvious no one has taught Grif how to protect him self as he goes to the ground or if they tried he just does not want to do what he has been taught. It is an art form and it needs to be practiced just like sliding into a base in the Majors. This has been a problem since he arrived at BU.
On the subject of the flat foot throw...a QB can change the angle of the throw, such as back shoulder throw or even change the receiver to whom they are throwing by staying more flat footed. Also RG3 has a whip action that looks more like Archie Manning rather that a conventional step and throw method like a Drew Brees. The arm action does not require the strong forward step due to the arm strength If he threw more standard dropback throws from under center he would develop a more standard step and throw delivery because he would hit hard off of his back foot when he reaches the end of his drop, slide forward and step into his throw. Much harder to do from the shotgun formation espcially when you make a running play fake most of the time.
Great insights--thanks for that.
It also seems to me that if you think back to RG3's ACL tear, he talks about how he spent so much time practicing his throwing motion in the parking lot with his dad. In my mind, at least, this means he developed a motion that uses primarily his upper body and not his feet, simply because he was not able to plant and throw like a conventional delivery would require. Further, it also seems that it would be a part of why his release is so quick---when everything happens from the waist up, it happens much faster, and it also means he's less dependent upon a good foundation and can throw on the move extremely well.
Thoughts on that? I'm curious as to your take on what my untrained eye sees.
In all due respect I don't understand the reasoning behind not stepping into your throws, but being a QB and coach, I'm sure you understand the importance of stepping into your throws. While players can make a great throw without stepping into things and being flat footed here and there, stepping into throws not only helps with your arm strength, but greatly increases your accuracy. Not saying RGIII doesn't have a strong or accurate arm, but I'm not liking the reasoning given for being flat footed. QBs get into trouble when they don't step into things or decide to throw off their back foot. During the Bal game there were numerous throws that were just off from RGIII, and they attributed to him being flat footed and not stepping into his throws.
While I don't coach football, I do coach baseball and the mechanics are similiar. The only time we ever coach not stepping into a throw is when the IF momentum is taking them in an opposite direction from where they are throwing. Something which is very difficult and even hard for MLB players to do.
Granted, in the heat of the moment in games, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get a throw off or make a play. My problem is him simply getting lazy with his footwork. If all of his passes while he was flat footed were complete, I would have no problem with it. The problem starts to occur when it becomes repetitive, yet the outcome continues to be passes off the mark.
I would agree with that assessment. He also has a long torso body build, which allows him to torque in different ways without being completely reliant on his feet to throw.
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RGIII actually struggled with throwing on the run when he first got to Washington and it's something Kyle Shanahan has pounded into him from drill after drill. A lot of what the Redskins do predicates on play action and he does that so well, that throwing on the run becomes an intricate part of the offense. Throwing on the run is even more of a reason to jam that back foot into the ground and step through/into it so you get the speed and velocity you want, but more importantly it goes where you want it to.
Like I said before, sometimes you have to go with your instincts and just make a play, but I would think you want to be technically sound in everything you do since you're going up against the best of the best in the NFL.
While I can somewhat understand your point about good mechanics, lets be real for a second.
RG3 currently leads the entire NFL in passer rating at 104.2.
He is tied for the rookie record in completion percentage at 66.4%, despite ALREADY throwing 46 more passes than Roethlisberger did when he set the record. Just for good measure, he's 5th in the NFL in completion percentage.
Regardless of what you want to say about mechanics, he's thrown 351 passes and is absolutely dominating the game. Saying he's "lazy" with anything is a little bit silly when it comes right down to it.
If you think RG3 struggled throwing on the run, you really don't know anything about him. He has always thrown incredibly well on the run, ever since his freshman season at Baylor. You don't have to look far to find numerous highlights of him throwing strikes, both short and log, while rolling hard one way or the other. He clearly prefers to throw while rolling right, but he can make throws while rolling to his left.
I used the term "lazy" to describe his footwork at times, not to characterize the type of person he is or the work he puts in. You're completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. RGIII is one of the hardest workers with a great attitude on the team, but that doesn't mean at times his footwork isn't what it should be. And trust me, I know all about the stats and what he's accomplishing. I've been a Redskins fan my entire life and we haven't had someone this exciting since the time of the Hogs and Darrell Green. Even though he's changed everything about the way the Redskins are viewed, it doesn't mean I can't look at the smallest negative, as a fan, and think it's an area he could improve.
Not going to get into a pissing match with you because of what you saw him do at Baylor. I never said he couldn't throw on the run, so don't take what I say and make it into whatever you want it to sound like. If you'd like, go read multiple reports from training camp and the such. I was simply stating what I've read over numerous reports through training camp and practices. Hell, the reason the Redskins took RGIII was because of his athletic ability to get around the corner and throw on the run, yet still sit in the pocket and be a conventional pocket passer.
Obviously looking at a player from every angle is something I shouldn't do here. I've done nothing but praise the kid for not only what he is as a player on the field, but what he does for a fan base and a community off of it. It was a pleasure talking about RGIII with everyone, but it's obvious my time here has probably ran out. Good luck to Baylor in the future....HTTR and Go BLUE!!!
Grade 1 LCL sprain is the official status from Shanahan today. He is listed as day-to-day and will wear a knee brace.
I have RG3 in a 2 QB league starting playoffs this weekend...I have already picked up Cousins, just in case.
If you are not 6'5", it is difficult to see over the on coming defensive lineman.
The new style of throwing dictates throwing through a window, between the lineman instead of always over the top.
This is even more true for the crossing routes where the QB has an option of when to throw the ball. These routes are not timed in the traditional step and throw method and allow the QB to snap a throw through a window of his choosing.
When the commentators use the term "lazy feet" ...in my opinion, they are using a prism that sees everything from the traditions drop, plant, slide, step and throw method.
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