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Emotional Makeup of the Baylor Fan

  • Just curious as to what your feelings are.

    I've been a BU fan for a long time. Over the years I think I've been conditioned to expect the worst. For sure, hoping for the best but at the same time experiencing a sense of foreboding that something negative will happen. Making mistakes at critical points in the game, playing our worst on the biggest stages and etc.... Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so to speak.

    I believe Briles and company are starting to change that in football, at least for me they are. And Mulkey has already slayed the curse dragon in WBB. We'll see about Drew but the indications are moving in a very positive direction.

    And then there's baseball. I'm not going to mention all the "what ifs" and "woulda, coulda, shouldas". We all know them too well. Given what happened to the Bears on Sunday I went to the game last night fully expecting that we would lose. And not because I thought that Arkansas had a superior team (they most certainly do not), but because it just seems to be BU baseball's lot in life.

    For sure baseball is a very quirky sport. In football and basketball the team with superior skill almost always wins. Not so in baseball. Over time, however, you would sorta expect that the quirkiness inherent in baseball would even out, i.e., luck and the breaks would balance each other. With Baylor, however, that doesn't seem to be the case. When the weirdness of baseball rears it's ugly head it seems to negatively impact the Bears more often than not.

    I'm interested in what your mindset is this afternoon.

    Volunteer

  • I am absolutely pleased about where we are at in each sport. In order, I care about the following sports:
    MBB -- In very good hands with Drew & Co. We're a few key players away from dominating the Big 12.
    Football -- Briles is a genius and he's ensured he's surrounded himself with other brilliant folks and dedicated players. I don't expect us to win an NC tomorrow, but we're in the best possible situation with a new stadium coming.
    WBB -- Mulkey is dominant. Our players are dominant. Nuff said.
    Baseball -- Yep, bottom of my list for the top 4 sports. They're really nice to have when they're good, but it doesn't give me heartburn like it does others.

    So given that, I'm a very happy fan. Would I want to win a NC in all sports? Sure. But given most schools, schools our size no less, would kill to have a season like we've had, I am ecstatic. No changes are needed.

    bearliving

  • I'm still pissed. And not about the 9th inning on Sunday.

    We are better than Arkansas, but we weren't this weekend.
    I'll never understand sending Orf with no outs on Sunday.
    We got a CG 3 hit shutout from our "Sunday" starter and lost last night.

    We used a pitcher with 6 AB's to pinch hit. If Smitty wanted a lefty that bad, Howard or Mercurio were better choices. But in a tie game, you cannot afford to pull your SS. I would have understood if we were down, but the game was not going to end if we didn't score. Miller was too important in the field to be pulled and it cost us in the 10th. I have no doubt Miller at least knocks that ball down and saves a run.

    To me, this was worse than OSU. Definitely worse than LSU.

    GShack

  • You pretty much nailed it.

    WBB - we have the best coach in the country. She does more with less. Her teams are as tough as nails. They hardly ever lose a game that they're not supposed to. They rise up and thrive when the pressure is on. Her teams reach their full potential 99 out of 100 times.

    FB - we have a great coach. He can identify talent, develop it and put them in positions to be successful. He is a good motivator and a good X's & O's coach. Even better, when there is a weakness he goes out and finds someone who can fix it. Until this past year, the team has wilted in the big games. But he is changing the culture and we will see this year if the change is complete.

    MBB - we have a coach who can identify top talent and is not afraid to go after it. He lands players that give us a shot against any team on any night. He too is changing the culture of the program. His teams do not always play up to their potential, and often disappear in the big games. Average X & O's coach. The program is in good hands, but I still have that "waiting for a Baylor moment" feeling at times. But a lot less than in the past. Hope it goes away permanently with this team.

    Baseball - My feeling is that as long as Smith is the Coach this team will NEVER win a big game when it counts. Regular season wins are nice. But it's about postseason banners in baseball. His team's take on his personality, which is that of a loser. I will never trust a Smith team until he wins the CWS. So I will never trust a Smith team. The program is in desperate need of a culture change.

    The X Factor898

  • Volunteer said...

    For sure baseball is a very quirky sport. In football and basketball the team with superior skill almost always wins. Not so in baseball. Over time, however, you would sorta expect that the quirkiness inherent in baseball would even out, i.e., luck and the breaks would balance each other. With Baylor, however, that doesn't seem to be the case. When the weirdness of baseball rears it's ugly head it seems to negatively impact the Bears more often than not.

    I'll be curious if Hambone will come along and comment on this too (likely not as he's too busy with the WSOP), but I learned a long time ago while playing an awful lot of poker that playing results will get you beat, but making the right play consistently will win out in the long run. Just because a make a low-percentage or statistically-poor play one time and it pays off does not mean that the same play will be successful every time. If you continually put yourself in statistically-positive situations, the numbers will even themselves out over time.

    This is the problem with Steve Smith, and my opinion on why that "quirkiness" doesn't even out. It's not because we don't have the talent to make the "right" plays, it's not because our guys "choke" in certain situations, it's because Smith continually puts us in statistically-negative situations. In baseball, just as in poker and just as in basically every aspect of life, there are exceptions---sometimes you make a decision based on gut feel. However, disregarding statistics altogether when making that gut decision--or worse yet, disregarding most statistics at virtually all times--will ultimately lead to failure and losing when it shouldn't happen.

    All of this is a long-winded way of saying that I am pleased as punch about football, moderately excited about MBB, and satisfied with WBB simply because I don't care about it.....but I'm disgusted with baseball and seriously do hope a change is made, whether that be by force or by choice. Our approach is poor and our kids and fans deserve better.

    RebelT

  • Yeah I agree. FB, MBB, and WBB have given Baylor the belief and expectation of winning against anyone in any situation. Not that we always win obviously, but the expectation is that we will win. When we don't it's a shock to the system. The players bought into this mindset first. It's why we'd hear such comments from Robert and Kendall about how we should have won every game. They expected it. It was truly a surprising and unsettling experience when they lost.

    As Baylor fans we're a little slower to make the transition, but I think we are. It's just many of us have a long history of experiencing the opposite so it's take a little more effort and time to shift gears.

    As X stated, as long as Smith is around there's a ceiling for the program. Maybe with FB, MBB and WBB doing so well we can live with his program just trucking along. I still think there will be a threshold we reach when baseball is so starkly underperforming compared to the big sports that Ian is forced to do something.

    Pro Ecclesia, Pro Mundus

    bugramps

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    florda_mike

  • RebelT said...

    This is the problem with Steve Smith, and my opinion on why that "quirkiness" doesn't even out. It's not because we don't have the talent to make the "right" plays, it's not because our guys "choke" in certain situations, it's because Smith continually puts us in statistically-negative situations. In baseball, just as in poker and just as in basically every aspect of life, there are exceptions---sometimes you make a decision based on gut feel. However, disregarding statistics altogether when making that gut decision--or worse yet, disregarding most statistics at virtually all times--will ultimately lead to failure and losing when it shouldn't happen.

    nailed it.

    wooldogg

  • Football will include some tough rebuilding this year, will surprise us on offense but not enough to make up for defensive problems. All in all, goal is to win JUST ENOUGH to keep this building 2013 class that I am jazzed about.

    MBB will be a little iffy for the first half of the season and then, hopefully, something interesting in the back half if the freshmen can contribute as hoped.

    WBB (and I actually think this is the way to play the season) will have some surprising losses just because Kim is wise enough to not ride them to a point where they burnout ahead of time. If they play it right, a little bit like Bulls year with MJ, a few distractions and then turn on the afterburners. UCONN will be much tougher this year, however.

    Baseball is going to be in some serious rebuild mode with so many key seniors. After thinking about the series where I watched almost every pitch, it comes down to this. I don't think you can fire the guy after long winning streaks and another Super Region, HOWEVER, the move pulling Miller instead of giving him a shot at redemption versus who he put in makes me just not like the guy. I think it lacked leadership, suggested panic and was literally a lousy move on a kid who played well all year. Choking is something you can eventually get over, bailing on a kid, not so much.

    BUAl

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  • RebelT said...

    Just because a make a low-percentage or statistically-poor play one time and it pays off does not mean that the same play will be successful every time. If you continually put yourself in statistically-positive situations, the numbers will even themselves out over time.

    This is the problem with Steve Smith, and my opinion on why that "quirkiness" doesn't even out. It's not because we don't have the talent to make the "right" plays, it's not because our guys "choke" in certain situations, it's because Smith continually puts us in statistically-negative situations. In baseball, just as in poker and just as in basically every aspect of life, there are exceptions---sometimes you make a decision based on gut feel. However, disregarding statistics altogether when making that gut decision--or worse yet, disregarding most statistics at virtually all times--will ultimately lead to failure and losing when it shouldn't happen.

    All of this is a long-winded way of saying that I am pleased as punch about football, moderately excited about MBB, and satisfied with WBB simply because I don't care about it.....but I'm disgusted with baseball and seriously do hope a change is made, whether that be by force or by choice. Our approach is poor and our kids and fans deserve better.

    This.

    In any sport it is important to make the statistically proper decision most of the time. Baseball is one of the only sports where the coach and the players have time to think about that decision. Most successful coaches make the statistically correct decision most of the time. On many of the plays that seem unorthodox, careful analysis reveals that the coach was betting with loaded dice.

    I don't get the feeling that is the norm with BU baseball in big games.

    mlb60

  • mlb60 said...

    This.

    In any sport it is important to make the statistically proper decision most of the time. Baseball is one of the only sports where the coach and the players have time to think about that decision. Most successful coaches make the statistically correct decision most of the time. On many of the plays that seem unorthodox, careful analysis reveals that the coach was betting with loaded dice.

    I don't get the feeling that is the norm with BU baseball in big games.

    Statistics probably play a larger role in baseball than they do in any other sport. Statistically speaking I agree that it makes sense to pinch hit for Miller with a left handed batter. The fact that Miller had been struggling at the plate during the series was also a major contributing factor.

    What continues to confound me, however, is why Turley? I believe Turley was batting 0.333 but with only 6 at bats during the season (2 hits in 6 at bats). That's an inadequate sample size and really means very little. On the other hand Howard (also a left handed bat) has an average of 0.298 with 94 at bats - a reasonable sample size that actually demonstrates a trend.

    Smith has said that he didn't feel Howard was an option. Given that he was eligible under NCAA and Big 12 rules, and not injured, it seems that the only reason Howard was not an option involves some sort of punishment. It just seems strange.

    Of course Howard might not have done any better than Turley. And clearly this one decision did not cause the game to be lost. But IMO in this one instance we did not put the team in the best possible position to win.

    This post was edited by Volunteer on 6/15/2012 at 9:34 AM

    Volunteer

  • if Howard was not playing because he was being punished, then I applaud Smitty for sticking to his guns there. Howard's gotta know that he could've been a help to the team throughout the post season, and if he made himself unavailable b/c of his own actions, then that's on him, not the coaching staff. if you're going to punish a player, then you've got to stick to it, even when it may put your team at a disadvantage.

    of course, i have no idea what the situation was with Howard. all signs point to disciplinary actions as to why he wasn't playing. he was academically elligible. He wasn't hurt (Smitty would've just come out and said that), and then you have the "story for another time" comment by Coach Smith.

    ryanmetz