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have to think Romney feels energized - may very well win the election for him

If you're into the government controlling every aspect of you and your families life then i suppose it's a "reasonable" decision.

Personally, I'd like to have the option to buy insurance or not, have certain procedures or not, have the ability to choose my doctor and the ability to make healthcare decisions on behalf of my family. Others want the government to make those decisions for them.

If the government has the power to force you to purchase healthcare and choose your doctor for you, they have the ability to deny you healthcare as well.

We have a roadmap (Europe) right in our face yet we are blindly skipping merrily down the same path to destruction and failure.

this is the part that's so baffling to me. it's not like this is a plan that's just in the concept stage. other places have tried it (Europe, Canada, hell even Hawaii has a similar plan from what i'm told), and it's a complete train wreck at all of them.

Congratulations to President Obama. The first president in modern U.S. history to pass meaningful constitutional health care reform. Now we've almost caught up to every other industrialized country in the world in that realm. Now if we can just dump an incredible amount of money into the educational system so we can stop depriving America's youth of the knowledge needed to compete globally.

Flame on. :)

We spend more per student than anyone. At this point it is more about HOW that money is applied rather than throwing more at it.

The scary part for me is if the government can force you to purchase health insurance, what else will the government force us to do or purchase and call it a tax.

I was hoping Obamacare would be struck down and then work on real health insurance reform. I agree reform is needed and would be difficult to do with such a strong lobby, but this is not the answer. I wish state borders were opened and we could just purchase health insurance from companies in other states.

Health insurance rates will skyrocket - mainly because they have a reason to do so. We were told in 2010 after our rates doubled that this was due to the new legislation, even though it wasn't in force. So even if repealed, I have a bad feeling that my rates will still be extremely high. Just like baggage charges from airliners. When gas goes down, the baggage fees remain in place.

The fact that Roberts joined the majority shows just how reasonable the ruling is and how important this change is as a first step in the big picture of fixing a seriously broken system.

The only thing I know for sure is that I pay $1000/month for crappy insurance coverage. I had a vasectomy last year and my % out of pocket was more than my younger brother that had no insurance at all.

I Needed to get an MRI on a growth and decided against it because my out of pocket was $1100, so now I'm gambling my long term health.

IMO, this decision on the surface is oing to make it worse.

But hey, all the dead beats and illegals will be able to score pain meds.

I wrote this post on Facebook and I'm going to cross-post it here. I don't think this is inflammatory and I'm certainly not trying to piss anyone off, but I'm genuinely curious about others thoughts.

Attached is a video where POTUS flatly denies that the individual mandate is a tax. He cites the fact that nobody claims car insurance is a tax even though people are forced to purchase it (which is logically false because driving a car is not a right, but I do think breathing is...and if you breathe, you now must pay for health insurance). He further refutes Stephanopoulos when he reads the definition of the word "tax", and then goes ad hominem, saying he's "stretching," but provides no further proof or logical argument.

Furthermore, a cornerstone of Obama's entire campaign has been the fact that he has claimed he will NOT raise taxes on people making less than $250,000.

Today, SCOTUS rules that the individual mandate is, at it's core, constitutional. However, they DENY the notion that it is covered under the Commerce clause, and say, outright, that it is a tax.

So, in summary, I think a few things:

1.) Obama is either lying through his teeth about the fact that it's a tax and he knows it's a tax, or he's too stupid to understand what a tax is. Since I don't believe the latter, the clear answer is the former. People don't like liars.

2.) You can bet your last dollar that Republicans are going to seize on the fact that this IS, as defined by SCOTUS, a tax. If they are intelligent (remains to be seen), they will pound on this ad nauseum. Clearly, this is a strike at the heart of the statement that Obama won't raise taxes on those making <$250K.

3.) POTUS may have won this battle, but I think this puts Romney in one helluva position to win the war. People aren't going to like that they've been lied to about this, and they aren't going to like the decline in the economy over this decision. They aren't going to like not being able to get hired for a job because companies freeze headcount and even begin to lay people off due to the amount of money they have to spend to come into compliance.

Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio&feature=youtu.be

The problem with health care is that we aren't getting anything close to the bang for the buck that other industrialized or developed countries do. Take a look at the articles that came out just a few months ago about the former head of the American Cancer Society and the book he had written about how much money we're throwing down the drain in the medical care field without corresponding benefits.

About 18% of our GDP is spent on health care and we're 50th in the world in life expectancy. That cannot continue to occur if we're to remain competitive and leave the companies bearing the burden with enough cash to innovate and invest in development. The major impediments to improved health and logevity in our country aren't affordable health care or insurance, but a willingness to stop smoking, drinking, doping and sitting on the couch wolfing down a full bag of potato chips.

If you want to congratulate him for further fueling an out of control fire be my guest.

I am in idealist, definitely. I'm too cynical to stick with either party though. I don't believe my vote counts at all so I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to support any of these guys. The things I do support though are ideas. The idea that we have a responsibility to help take care of our brothers and sisters, the idea that caring for others and protecting profit shouldn't be balanced. I might be wrong, I don't know. That's just the way that I feel. I see a lot of conservatives say that if we went to a universal model or single-payer model that doctors wouldn't be as motivated to give quality care to patients. I think that's more of an indictment on the climate we live in. Doctors should be motivated by helping others and doing good in people's lives. Again, I really don't mean to be preachy. I just think that we live in a dog eat dog world where people are very focused on themselves. It's easy to forget that we all live on the same planet, occupy the same space. You can't really put a price tag on caring for others to me. Yes, it's expensive. No, it's not going to be easy. But they're people and that should be the priority above all. I know this reads like a hippy manifesto and a lot of people are quietly rolling their eyes or getting ready to type a scathing criticism of my thought process. I just think someone has to say it.

I think this type of thought process is a large part of what's wrong with the world today. People want and demand certain things, but they don't understand or care about the real-world, practical business implications of what they want and demand. There are very few people out there who don't want what's best for people as a whole, but unfortunately there is a price on everything we do, whether that's in money or time, and there's just no way around that.