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Texas has just a few more than Baylor and A&M has more as well.

The coaching changes at Baylor and A&M would have some to do with it.

i agree that the NCAA should pay more attention to it. On the other hand, it's necessary in many cases, to sign more than you think you're going to have room for. you're always going to have natural attrition (in addition to graduating/drafted players), and you need to account for that. i've got no problem with oversigning by a couple of guys, to make sure you have a "full" roster, but doing what 'Bama does is pretty terrible.

why not make a rule where you can only "sign" a certain # of players (3-5) more than the # leaving b/c of exhausted eligibility or the draft. if you have 15 SRs leaving, and 2 guys drafted early, and you can sign 3 more than that number, then you can sign a total of 20 players (15SRs + 2 draftees + 3 Bonus = 20). maybe increase the "Bonus" # to 5-7 for a HC's first recruiting class.

whatever rule(s) you throw out there though, someone's gonna find a way to skirt the edges of it.

that is just entirely too simplistic, and a horrible way to look at it.

kids decide they don't want to be at a certain school for a hundred different reasons, and not just athletes. how many people did you know, while you were at Baylor, that left to go somewhere else for whatever reason. off the top of my head, i could name about a dozen, and that's w/out even thinking.

just b/c an athlete transfers doesnt mean they "didnt make it", or that they weren't prepared for college. students get homesick, feel they'd have a better chance to play elsewhere, have issues with a coach or coaches, etc. hell, they could graduate early (prior to eligibiility being up), and decide they want to play somewhere else.

Also, all of these schools ARE following the rule in place, by making sure their rosters are at 85 by the time fall workouts begin. also, the rule, the way you're looking at it, will not "have the same effect on everyone" b/c kids transferring will not be a net zero for all schools. some will transfer down a level. some schools will have more transferring out, and some will have more transferring in.

you comment as if dealing with people is this exact science, and it's anything but...especially 18-20 year old peoples.

The simple cure to this is attaching the 4-5 year scholarship (4 to play 5) to the student WHETHER THEY ARE ON THE TEAM OR NOT.

This 1) allows the player the choice to stay or not based on what they want to do and 2) motivates the team to do the most to help the student to play and/or pass quickly. They are signing the PERSON, not the position or spot they take up.

There would be a medical exemption, of course. If a doctor says your career is over, then your spot should open up.

Nope, I'm simply saying the coaches can choose whether to oversign or not, but they should be willing to pay the price if their gambles don't pay off.

it's not "oversigning" if it's just replacing natural attrition.

it's oversigning when you've got 10-12 scholarship players, who you still need to push out the door, once natural attrition takes place.

if you're an employer, would you not allow a department to backfill a position, when someone you previously hired left the company? "I'm sorry Mr/Mrs Manager, your gamble didn't pay off on that person, so you're just gonna have to live with being short staffed. that's just the price you have to be willing to pay..."

"Limit" means limit.

I don't find that hard to understand.

Mrs. Dirtbag's philosophy of life is, "Never disobey the rules .. . . unless the rules get in your way to success"

OR IN OTHER WORDS (coach speak) .... Don't EVER cheat! . . . (unless you have to!)

The minute you buy into D1 athletics (and I'm a big fan), you and the NCAA are already in the gray area of ethics because money and power for institutions is involved, and just a fine line away from unethical, and when you live in the arena of unethical, you're always just a fine line away from IMMORAL.

Ask Portly. He learned that principle from reading Reinhold Niebhur 40 years ago in ethics class. But then again, what does some German sociologist know about D1 athletics.

The key is 4 year scholarships. That at least helps.

i agree that would help. You would almost have to have a greater penalty for players who want to transfer to another D1 team then. if the school is going to commit to a player for 4 years, then the players need to be less likely to bolt at the first sign of adversity also.

Tell me again how signing 22 this year and putting us at 85 is oversigning?