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SB Nation on Baylor draft - not good

  • Aritcle

    A Bittersweet Night For Baylor - SB Nation Dallas

    Having three players selected in the NBA Draft is a great accomplishment for Baylor's program, but they may have planted the seeds of their own destruction in the process.

    dallas.sbnation.com

    BUFree

  • Can our program ever survive a negative blog?

    NoBSU

  • Hate to say it, but they are fair points. It could be argued that both players hurt their stock by going to Baylor.

    We really need Austin to live up to the hype. Kid was the number 1 player in America at one point. We have a top 10 class coming in, should have lots of NBA picks on the court the next few years.

    The X Factor898

  • What a terribely written piece. Miller had enough of the Pierre Jackson show? Pretty sure most of the other Big 12 teams would want Jackson running point for them.

    I saw Rick Barnes getting praise for Tristian Thompson. While its true he went #4 last year, I saw no mention of J'Covan Brown going undrafted last night.

    Yes the BU players fell ( Acy being the exception), but it wasn't a terrible night for BU at all. Three players reached their dream of the NBA. It's their chance to make something of it now.

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    Brenden Padilla

  • This guy was seriously high on hopium when he wrote this piece. His hope that the Bears program receeds bleeds through every sentence.

    Perry's problem was Perry. Ditto for QM. That's all I'll say.

    Has this guy written a piece explaining how Mack Brown only gets about 1/3 of his ESPN top 150 players drafted? Doubt it.

    This post was edited by Bearish on 6/29/2012 at 8:07 AM

    Bearish

  • The "X" Factor said...

    Hate to say it, but they are fair points. It could be argued that both players hurt their stock by going to Baylor.

    We really need Austin to live up to the hype. Kid was the number 1 player in America at one point. We have a top 10 class coming in, should have lots of NBA picks on the court the next few years.

    Some points are valid, but talking up Barnes is a little over the top. Thompson went high in the weakest draft in recent memory. Hamilton fell and J'Covan Brown was not drafted. Udoh came out of no where and went top 10, but Drew gets no credit for that?

    BUFree

  • Isaiah Austin is #4 in the country right now.

    Perry was #9 when he signed and QMiller was, I believe, #7.

    Our recruiting class is so stout because of Austin. Without him, I'm not sure it's Top 25. Rose and Gathers are both strong 4-star players that will have an impact for us (methinks Gathers more than Rose) but I'd be really wary of trying to equivocate our #10 recruiting class with us being a Top 10 teams based solely on those recruits. If Austin comes and goes (as is expected) then it will, essentially, have been a Top 25 (or so) class remaining. And unless we pick up someone stellar in 2013 (which is looking very unlikely) then we'll need some people to step up.

    BaylorGuy314

  • I thought of Brown reading that. He was drafted because of what he has always been and not anything Barnes did.

    I don't know the truth about PJ3's knee but suspect there is something to it. It is a fair evaluation item. PJ3 has rarely dominated even with his athleticism. He is a project. He was drafted like one. He was drafted like NBA teams aren't sure that their staff can motivate him any better that his high school coaches or college coaches did.

    Drew might have failed. I don't know his thoughts. If he recruited PJ3 thinking he is a good kid and I'd love to have him around and try to help him then Drew didn't fail. If Drew expected to impact PJ3 to make him a dominating player then he failed. I suspect that Drew knew that he had a high risk project. I have openly disagreed with bono who it could be said shares some agreement with the showcase critiscism. It is fair to say that I am not the Pierre fan that most here are so I share in the blogger opinion that Pierre isn't making teammates better.

    I thought (and posted) that Arthur was spoiled and would be better off at KU where he had competition for playing time. BU PT was guaranteed. His frosh year at KU was a learning experience that paid off. I don't think the ''fix'' for PJ3 was at another school oe another program. His fix is inside. It had better come in the next two years. He is out in the cruel world not in the world of pampered high school and college elite athletes.

    NoBSU

  • What is up with the SBNation blog the last two days? Tjarks or whatever his name is, followed up an article that ran yesterday by someone named Willie Funk (seriously?). Funk's piece had the same negative slant about Pierre and A.J., so these guys definitely have an agenda.

    Funk's bio says he went to OU for a masters and to SMU Law School (evidently, he didn't make it out with his degree) so at first I thought he might be pimping for Kruger or Larry Brown.

    Tjarks' affiliation is a little more obvious...go look at his avatar on the Bleacher Report. It's a pic of Vince Young in his UT uniform with Tjarks' in the crowd cheering for him.

    It's funny these two forgot to mention that despite Drew's terrible coaching and awful schemes, Baylor has somehow managed to go to the Elite Eight 2 of the past 3 years.

    Tiny Elvis

  • I kind of agree with the general premise that you cannot have Top 10 recruits do poorly in the draft or you stop getting them.

    I disagree that the Miller/PJIII free fall had anything to do with Drew. Every GM will tell you that was a knee/motor issue respectively.

    But here's kind of the tell on this cat. First, he critiques Drew's NBA draft failures without ever mentioning the name Ekpe Udoh. Fine, he wasn't an elite recruit. But then he says Cal is awesome because he can get mediocre recruits (forget that Miller was consensus Top 50 national recruit for a second and Mr. Basketball in Kentucky) to the second round of the NBA.

    So Drew can't win with this guy. And he's not going to give him credit when he does.

    roughneck1

  • NoBSU said...

    If he recruited PJ3 thinking he is a good kid and I'd love to have him around and try to help him then Drew didn't fail. If Drew expected to impact PJ3 to make him a dominating player then he failed. I suspect that Drew knew that he had a high risk project.

    If I recall, Drew started recruiting PJ3 when he was in the 8th grade, and Jones committed to the Bears as a sophomore...so Drew probably didn't know what he had except for an athletic freak oozing with potential. From the start of PJ3's college career, Drew was trying to lower expectations for PJ3, saying he was a work-in-progress...I'm sure he noticed that PJ3 wasn't even the leading scorer on his high school team.

    boxster

  • boxster said...

    If I recall, Drew started recruiting PJ3 when he was in the 8th grade, and Jones committed to the Bears as a sophomore...so Drew probably didn't know what he had except for an athletic freak oozing with potential. From the start of PJ3's college career, Drew was trying to lower expectations for PJ3, saying he was a work-in-progress...I'm sure he noticed that PJ3 wasn't even the leading scorer on his high school team.

    Good summary.

    It is more evidence that the college recruit ranking system is jacked up. I would like for them to focus on college impact not pro ceiling.

    NoBSU

  • I didn't read the blog and I probably won't. Personal accountability is what matters with PJIII and Q Miller. If those guys wanted to be top 10 picks, all of us knew what those guys needed to do. I'm sure they know this too. They can be good pros if they work on defense and the physical aspects of the game. Setshot or Bono could probably write a 'to do' list for these guys to become All-Stars. I'll be Drew did too.

    NOVA Bear

  • NoBSU said...

    Good summary.

    It is more evidence that the college recruit ranking system is jacked up. I would like for them to focus on college impact not pro ceiling.

    So true. Based on PJ3's actual high school production, I think you could argue he over-achieved in his 2 years at Baylor. But based on his "projected top-3 draft pick", he underachieved.

    One of the reasons I'm so excited about Gathers...his high school production foretells success at the college level, even though he's far from a can't miss NBA'er.

    boxster

  • The "X" Factor said...

    Hate to say it, but they are fair points. It could be argued that both players hurt their stock by going to Baylor.

    We really need Austin to live up to the hype. Kid was the number 1 player in America at one point. We have a top 10 class coming in, should have lots of NBA picks on the court the next few years.

    you can make "fair points" without turning it into a complete and utter hit piece. yes, it's bad to have "elite" recruits' draft stock fall, but that "article" was a few decent points masked in an agenda-dripping editorial about how Drew sucks and Rick Barnes is the greatest coach ever.

    ryanmetz

  • BaylorGuy314 said...

    Isaiah Austin is #4 in the country right now.

    Perry was #9 when he signed and QMiller was, I believe, #7.

    Our recruiting class is so stout because of Austin. Without him, I'm not sure it's Top 25. Rose and Gathers are both strong 4-star players that will have an impact for us (methinks Gathers more than Rose) but I'd be really wary of trying to equivocate our #10 recruiting class with us being a Top 10 teams based solely on those recruits. If Austin comes and goes (as is expected) then it will, essentially, have been a Top 25 (or so) class remaining. And unless we pick up someone stellar in 2013 (which is looking very unlikely) then we'll need some people to step up.

    The excuses are already coming.

    In the past it's been, "compare our recruiting classes to KU, UT, etc. and you'll see that we've actually been over-achieving based on the rankings."

    Now it's, "We have 1 stud in the class that has inflated our rankings and we shouldn't expect top 10 finishes."

    Come on! So weak.

    The X Factor898

  • ryanmetz said...

    you can make "fair points" without turning it into a complete and utter hit piece. yes, it's bad to have "elite" recruits' draft stock fall, but that "article" was a few decent points masked in an agenda-dripping editorial about how Drew sucks and Rick Barnes is the greatest coach ever.

    I'm just talking about the premise of the article. It's a fair point. Land enough top 10 recruits and turn them into 2nd rounders...it's gonna hurt your rep.

    As for the other stuff in the article? It's obvious that the writer is gay.

    The X Factor898

  • That douche of a writer writes for bleacher report... 'Nuff said.

    WILLIS

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    Aquaman

  • The "X" Factor said...

    I'm just talking about the premise of the article. It's a fair point. Land enough top 10 recruits and turn them into 2nd rounders...it's gonna hurt your rep.

    As for the other stuff in the article? It's obvious that the writer is gay.

    You can make the point you're trying to make without your last sentence. Why is it necessary to use "gay" as a pejorative?

    Aquaman

  • The "X" Factor said...

    Hate to say it, but they are fair points. It could be argued that both players hurt their stock by going to Baylor.

    We really need Austin to live up to the hype. Kid was the number 1 player in America at one point. We have a top 10 class coming in, should have lots of NBA picks on the court the next few years.

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    Yecker2000

  • Nobody has ever said that Drew gets recruits based on his ability to put them into the NBA. His first 5 years he sold the turnaround of the program, along with lots of playing time if they stick around. Now he sells the NCAA tournament, Big 12 titles, and some top notch athletic facilities. We struck a hidden gem in Ekpe Udoh. Other than Udoh, this was the first year we were expected to even have multiple draft picks, much less a lottery pick. Since when did Baylor become NBA Draft-U?

    The clown who wrote this must have mistaken us with our Orangeblooded brethren to the South... Also, last time I checked Drew's job is to win basketball games, not put players in the NBA Draft. What recruits find contagious about Scott Drew is that he is a bit of an outlier in college basketball, He's constantly smiling and tells a positive message in even the most dire of circumstances. Now that we've shown we can win on a high level the success of a player in the NBA draft isn't dependent on how far the team goes, but on what scouts see in the player.

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    ttv06

  • Aquaman said...

    You can make the point you're trying to make without your last sentence. Why is it necessary to use "gay" as a pejorative?

    Oh God. Please don't tell me that you are one of those types that is trying to make "gay" a dirty work. Spare me.

    The movement to make GAY the new N word is ridiculous. Just stop.

    The X Factor898

  • The "X" Factor said...

    Oh God. Please don't tell me that you are one of those types that is trying to make "gay" a dirty work. Spare me.

    The movement to make GAY the new N word is ridiculous. Just stop.

    You're making a value judgment about someone based on sexual orientation that you can't possibly know, and it is unnecessary. There's no doubt you meant it to be negative.

    How about you grow up and learn a better way to communicate, without slander, in a mature world?

    Aquaman

  • Aquaman said...

    You're making a value judgment about someone based on sexual orientation that you can't possibly know, and it is unnecessary. There's no doubt you meant it to be negative.

    How about you grow up and learn a better way to communicate, without slander, in a mature world?

    As you know, you can call someone gay without implying that they are a homosexual. It's time for you to grow up and get back to calling people gay.

    The X Factor898